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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Rav4 EV for sale - blue - 18K miles, local car!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 9:32 pm 
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The thing is, you cannot keep the 2500. Once the car changes hands, DMV knows. The clean vehicle folks are alerted and they send a lovely letter showing the prorating of the funds and asking for the balance of the $2500 back. The state gets back the money from the original lessor. No win for anyone, actually, other than the state getting back about $2K to give to someone else down the road.
No scam here. It's the same if you total your EV. They want it back then too.


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So here's the scam. Lease a new 2014 Rav4 Ev...steal the $2500 CARB rebate and use it to make lease payments for 5 months. Dump the car on an out of state buyer (without paying back the $2500 rebate) then lease another Rav4 Ev...take another $2500 CARB rebate and start all over again. New car for a year on the California tax payer dollar. Nothing criminal here....

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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Rav4 EV for sale - blue - 18K miles, local car!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:19 pm 
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Hoosier wrote:
So here's the scam. Lease a new 2014 Rav4 Ev...steal the $2500 CARB rebate and use it to make lease payments for 5 months. Dump the car on an out of state buyer (without paying back the $2500 rebate) then lease another Rav4 Ev...take another $2500 CARB rebate and start all over again. New car for a year on the California tax payer dollar. Nothing criminal here....


Except you can't because you have to pay back the $2500 check if you don't keep the car registered to yourself, in California, for three years.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Rav4 EV for sale - blue - 18K miles, local car!
PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:35 pm 
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jimbo69ny wrote:
The credits and rebates have already been taken when the car was first leased. They no longer apply and is a non issue.

Yes the lease will definitely transfer and the unlimited mileage lease will be applicable to the new owner.


Absolutely not true. The credits are based on three years registered in California. So, when Honda took back "Lemon Law" lease returns, they re-leased them, even though they were / are used.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Rav4 EV for sale - blue - 18K miles, local car!
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:12 am 
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TonyWilliams wrote:
jimbo69ny wrote:
The credits and rebates have already been taken when the car was first leased. They no longer apply and is a non issue.

Yes the lease will definitely transfer and the unlimited mileage lease will be applicable to the new owner.


Absolutely not true. The credits are based on three years registered in California. So, when Honda took back "Lemon Law" lease returns, they re-leased them, even though they were / are used.


Really? They are time sensitive???? So if a buyer, like myself, takes their leased vehicle out of state and registers it in a new state in 2015 Toyota loses some of their ZEV credits? They get what, 3 per Rav EV sold in Cali total?


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Rav4 EV for sale - blue - 18K miles, local car!
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:23 am 
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Hoosier wrote:
So here's the scam. Lease a new 2014 Rav4 Ev...steal the $2500 CARB rebate and use it to make lease payments for 5 months. Dump the car on an out of state buyer (without paying back the $2500 rebate) then lease another Rav4 Ev...take another $2500 CARB rebate and start all over again. New car for a year on the California tax payer dollar. Nothing criminal here....


No the agency will come looking for you. I am sure as they work closely with the state your scam will catch up with you.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Rav4 EV for sale - blue - 18K miles, local car!
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:28 am 
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Wrong, Toyota checks with the dmv. They WILL most definitely find out.


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 Post subject: Re: 2014 Rav4 EV for sale - blue - 18K miles, local car!
PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 3:37 am 
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jimbo69ny wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:
jimbo69ny wrote:
The credits and rebates have already been taken when the car was first leased. They no longer apply and is a non issue.

Yes the lease will definitely transfer and the unlimited mileage lease will be applicable to the new owner.


Absolutely not true. The credits are based on three years registered in California. So, when Honda took back "Lemon Law" lease returns, they re-leased them, even though they were / are used.


Really? They are time sensitive???? So if a buyer, like myself, takes their leased vehicle out of state and registers it in a new state in 2015 Toyota loses some of their ZEV credits? They get what, 3 per Rav EV sold in Cali total?


They get 3 credits per RAV4 EV for CARB-ZEV states.


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