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 Post subject: Toyota Says No One Wants Toyota Electric Car, SIGN PETITION
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:50 pm 
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It's no secret that Toyota doesn't really have a heart in pushing pure electric vehicles. The very limited Scion iQ EV project was killed before it went very far and the RAV4 EV project with Tesla was always only meant to produce just 2,600 units, but it didn't even get that far. In short, by all public appearances, Toyota just doesn't see the value of a pure EV.

"No one is coming to our door asking us to build a new electric car." – Toyota's Craig Scott

Toyota's public reasoning for the lack of a Prius C EV, for example, has often been that customers don't want to compromise on range and that hydrogen is a better bet. Company executives like Bob Carter say so over and over again. A new comment by Craig Scott, Toyota's national manager of advanced technologies, says that the Japanese automaker, give a slightly different spin on things. "Toyota actually favors fuel cells over other zero-emission vehicles, like pure battery electric vehicles," he told the Los Angeles Times. "We would like to be still selling cars when there's no more gas. And no one is coming to our door asking us to build a new electric car."

This, understandably, has riled up a lot of EV supporters, many of whom have called on all automakers to sell more electric vehicles. After all, if Nissan can sell around 3,000 EVs a month in the US, couldn't Toyota do something similar? Are there thousands of people coming to the door asking for the fuel cell sedan that Toyota will start selling in the US next year? That answer is unclear, but it certainly doesn't look like Toyota is backing off its H2 bet any time soon.


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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Says No One Wants a Toyota Electric Car
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:44 pm 
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I think if you asked anyone if they would want a Tesla (or Rav4 EV with more range) at a reasonable cost they would say yes. A stylish EV with 200+ mile range and quick charging. What not to like?

The reason most people are not knocking on Toyota's door for an EV is because most people cannot afford the current generation EVs. The reason Toyota doesn't want to sell EVs is because they cant make money selling them. The batteries alone make them too expensive. I wonder how much Toyota lost of every Rav4 EV compliance car they sold? I believe that this will get fixed over time. Batteries will get cheaper and better. EVs will get cheaper and better.

Ultimately, I believe that EVs are here to stay and will grow market share over time. Plugging into your house, the performance, the reliability. I could go on but I know I am preaching to the choir
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Thanks goodness for us early adopters to keep things moving as the EV industry matures.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Says No One Wants a Toyota Electric Car
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:57 pm 
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unHookt wrote:
"No one is coming to our door asking us to build a new electric car." – Toyota's Craig Scott



It would be pretty funny if some of us made an appointment with him and then came to his door asking Toyota to build a new electric car.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Says No One Wants a Toyota Electric Car
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:58 pm 
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Well he is right that RAV4-EV seems to be a slow seller. Of course very few know it exists either.
Personally I feel lucky to have one but cannot talk DW into a second. Range and charging is the issue.
Perception of needing a bug-out vehicle to go 750 miles in one day if needed is the issue even if absurd.
Mass adoption is going to be a loooong road. Certainly much longer than I thought.
Need one more quantum leap in batteries.

Can't imagine the fuel cells will be any better. Probably less demand IMHO.


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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Says No One Wants a Toyota Electric Car
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:08 pm 
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I have repeatedly heard people say that they won't consider the RAV4 EV because Toyota's heart is not in it and it's just a "compliance car" that will not be well supported. Honestly, I don't care about that. I would have bought any EV with a real trunk, 40kWh battery, and 5 passenger seating with a net cost of less than $40,000.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Says No One Wants a Toyota Electric Car
PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 11:36 pm 
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More Toyota propaganda, if you believe these talking points are Toyotas long term permanent strategy then their misinformation campaign is working brilliantly. Those that think Toyota is not fully engaged in advance traction pack development also would believe the low priced Tesla is going to be priced as promised, don't be fooled again by Toyota's agenda based messaging. If you believe this BS then you fell for the BS that Toyota needed Tesla to build the second gen RAV. If EVs make financial sense to build for any car company you can bet that they all will be making them. When battery tech is much more advanced no car maker will be sitting back while others sell 200 nile plus EVs. Toyota does not sit back with their head in the sand, they are clever and crafty in every way you can imagine like any successful company. Even the companies you would least think have EV development have had it for many years. The best part of this is who plays poker face the best.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Says No One Wants a Toyota Electric Car
PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:50 am 
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smkettner wrote:
Personally I feel lucky to have one but cannot talk DW into a second. Range and charging is the issue.
Perception of needing a bug-out vehicle to go 750 miles in one day if needed is the issue even if absurd.


DW = Da Wife?

Yeah, I can't get rid of the Pilot, at least not now. We need something to run over the zombies. Kinda defeats the purpose of getting this one.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Says No One Wants a Toyota Electric Car
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 3:52 pm 
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4EVEREV wrote:
More Toyota propaganda, if you believe these talking points are Toyotas long term permanent strategy then their misinformation campaign is working brilliantly. Those that think Toyota is not fully engaged in advance traction pack development also would believe the low priced Tesla is going to be priced as promised, don't be fooled again by Toyota's agenda based messaging. If you believe this BS then you fell for the BS that Toyota needed Tesla to build the second gen RAV. If EVs make financial sense to build for any car company you can bet that they all will be making them. When battery tech is much more advanced no car maker will be sitting back while others sell 200 nile plus EVs. Toyota does not sit back with their head in the sand, they are clever and crafty in every way you can imagine like any successful company. Even the companies you would least think have EV development have had it for many years. The best part of this is who plays poker face the best.


I'll believe this when I see it. I don't think they are playing poker with these kinds of statements. They are either being honest, or they are being disingenuous by blaming consumers for their decision.

And who ever said that Toyota needed Tesla? The only thing I've ever heard is that it appeared the both Toyota and Tesla were being opportunistic by working with each other. I haven't encountered Toyota needing Tesla as propaganda or otherwise.

I guess the thing that rubs me the wrong way is, one, that it's blaming the consumers for a lack of interest, which is an insult to all of us who did in fact invest our money in a Toyota EV. And, two, that they've done this song and dance once before when they killed the first gen Rav EV.


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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Says No One Wants a Toyota Electric Car
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:39 pm 
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james wrote:
The reason Toyota doesn't want to sell EVs is because they cant make money selling them. The batteries alone make them too expensive. I wonder how much Toyota lost of every Rav4 EV compliance car they sold?
If Nissan and Tesla can make money selling EVs (and they do), then of course Toyota - the automaker that's historically proven itself best at making money selling cars - can do the same. Of course they lost money on the Rav4-EV, since they basically "hand made" only 2600 of them, and they paid Tesla $40k/car for the power trains. Then again, Toyota did make a killing on their investment in Tesla, so there's that. Interesting how Toyota loves to talk about how "nobody wants EVs" while at the same time investing in the leading EV maker. I guess they just like to put their money where their mouth isn't...

Oh, and I guess the Chinese are doing a better job of coming to Toyota's door and asking them to build a new electric car, since that's exactly what they're doing.

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 Post subject: Re: Toyota Says No One Wants a Toyota Electric Car
PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:20 pm 
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Toyota, knock, knock. I'm knocking on your door asking you to build the next gen Rav 4 EV with quick or supercharging capability.

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