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 Post subject: Re: Buying a Rav4 outside of CA
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:13 am 
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CORRECTION: Meant to say I put a deposit on a RAV 4 EV...already bought the Leaf...


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 Post subject: Re: Buying a Rav4 outside of CA
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Pennsylvania RAV wrote:
CORRECTION: Meant to say I put a deposit on a RAV 4 EV...already bought the Leaf...


Anything we say will be a complete guess, and even if there was a law that was foolproof and they had to service your Rav4, but refused, then what?

I'd go for it, and it sounds like you will.

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a Rav4 outside of CA
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 4:52 am 
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Hi Pennsylvania. Wow, a real risk taker! I applaud your spunk!

To best of my knowledge the real issue to an out state buyer is the Tesla battery pack and drivetrain. Not the replacement parts, but the "tools" for servicing; the battery pack especially. I believe these tools had to be obtained by any RAV4 EV "authorized" dealers in CA, and the investment in the "special" tools required to service (i.e. R&R) Tesla components probably are not cheap! An OOS dealer will most likely never procure such tools and that is your main obstacle to getting service (on these particular components) in PA.

If its any consulation, the major Tesla parts on the car, including the humongous battery pack, seem to be very well designed. In fact, the battery and drivetrain (electric motor and gearing) were originally designed for the Tesla Roadster. I believe they are identical. So, as only a extreme fall back measure, you "might" (and I use that term guardedly) be able to get repairs performed by a Tesla dealer on those particular components in a RAV4 EV. However, I suspect you would have to pay out of your own pocket (not using any Toyota warranty coverage). If you know of a VERY customer satisfaction oriented Toyota dealer, maybe - MAYBE - that dealer will subcontract out the repairs to Tesla and pick up the tab under Toyota's warranty.

Fwiw, the RAV4 EV is a PHENOMENAL car to drive anywhere, not only in CA! And for the deeply discounted prices currently offered for a purchase in CA, any OOS warranty and dealer support issues will be largely offset by all the money you are saving up front, not to mention the $7500 tax credit. Worse case you may have to ship the car back to CA for any "possible" major repairs.

GOOD LUCK! And if you get one, I suspect your wife will be eternally grateful. :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a Rav4 outside of CA
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Dsinned wrote:
?..In fact, the battery and drivetrain (electric motor and gearing) were originally designed for the Tesla Roadster. I believe they are identical. :


Definitely not the Roadster motor !!! Identical to Model S only.

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a Rav4 outside of CA
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Potential Out-of-State Warranty Issues???


Yeah like maybe the gearbox whine that some are experiencing and I had in the rental. Issues can be very real and Toyota will most likely REQUIRE the owner, any owner regardless of there location, to have the vehicle drivetrain serviced by a certified Rav4EV dealer. As a Rav4EV owner I could no more require a non-certified Toyota dealer in CA to work on those specific components let alone an out-of-state dealer. Each certified dealer had the option of becoming part of the Rav4EV program or not. Many didn't. This whole thing's a loser for Toyota and I doubt they gleefully will send trained personal and equipment around the country to placate some owner who gamed them. On the other hand what's another few thousand dollars in authorizing warranty payments to non-certified dealers when there throwing 10K around on each Rav. Guess we really won't know until someone tests the waters..... Any out-of-state whiners yet? (I'm talking of the gearbox kind, of course) :D


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 Post subject: Re: Buying a Rav4 outside of CA
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Any out-of-state whiners yet? (I'm talking of the gearbox kind, of course) :D


I am not sure if my gearbox is overly loud. It sure is less noisy than any ICE car and about the same as my Leaf.

I plan to drop my car off at the dealer for the 5K maintenance interval at the dealer down the street even though I can take it anywhere since the maintenance is the same as the ICE version as is all the suggested maintenance. That will be in a couple months so we'll see what happens.

The extended warranty that I added is specifically good at all Toyota dealerships so it is their problem and not mine.

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a Rav4 outside of CA
PostPosted: Thu Mar 07, 2013 12:59 pm 
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Denver,

What exactly is the routine maintenance...ie. assuming I'm good for the first year or two....are they just rotating tires
and checking liquids. I presume they have the ability to top off the coolant?

Denver...have you taken your RAV to a non-RAV dealer? What have they done? What have they said?
Issues?

Thanks for all your help..

This sounds like a great car and quite frankly getting guts of a car that's nearly the base model Model S
for 31k (after 10k Toyota rebate, 7,500 fed tax credit, and 3,500 Pennsylvania Tax Credit)....just can't
hardly refuse.

Other question? They're trying to sell me extended service 75k, 8 yr package at San Diego dealer.. Is this
a waste of money, if Toyota isn't going to service it here in Lancaster, PA anyway?

Thanks for all your help and expertise out there....
We gotta keep pushing the big boys to do the right thing and adopt EV technology...

I'm interested in your questions...but either way...I'm going for it!
Lancaster, PA


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 Post subject: Re: Buying a Rav4 outside of CA
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For what its worth, I've spoken to a service manager at an NJ dealership regarding the issue of servicing the car. Officially, they aren't allowed to touch it for the reasons Dsinned outlined.
However, the service techs have watched and have been tested on a training video for the Rav4 EV. The regional service director told him there is a good chance the car will come out east. Just a matter of corporate deciding when or whether to take the plunge.


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 Post subject: Re: Buying a Rav4 outside of CA
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Pennsylvania RAV wrote:

What exactly is the routine maintenance...ie. assuming I'm good for the first year or two....are they just rotating tires
and checking liquids. I presume they have the ability to top off the coolant?

Denver...have you taken your RAV to a non-RAV dealer? What have they done? What have they said?
Issues?



I've summarized the scheduled maintenance here:

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=224

Just FYI, the Warranty and Maintenance Guide also states:

To obtain warranty service in the United States, U.S. territories or Canada, take your vehicle to an authorized Toyota dealership. If your vehicle cannot be driven, contact your nearest Toyota dealership for towing assistance. You do not have to pay for towing to the nearest Toyota dealership if your vehicle is inoperable due to failure of a warranted part.
The Toyota RAV4 EV is being offered in limited quantities in certain California markets. While non-powertrain warranty service can be performed by any Toyota dealership, powertrain and high voltage component warranty service must only be performed by an authorized RAV4 EV dealership. Because your electric powertrain warranty service can only be performed by an authorized RAV4 EV dealership, Toyota does not recommend home-basin the vehicle outside the state of California.

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 Post subject: Re: Buying a Rav4 outside of CA
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Pennsylvania RAV wrote:
This sounds like a great car and quite frankly getting guts of a car that's nearly the base model Model S
for 31k (after 10k Toyota rebate, 7,500 fed tax credit, and 3,500 Pennsylvania Tax Credit)....just can't
hardly refuse.

Other question? They're trying to sell me extended service 75k, 8 yr package at San Diego dealer.. Is this
a waste of money, if Toyota isn't going to service it here in Lancaster, PA anyway?

That's $1000 more than CA's rebate ($2500), so definitely one thing going in your favor as an OOS buyer. IMHO, paying only $31k for an EV this good is a STEAL!

I recommend ACTON Toyota in Maine as your best bet for a fair shake on purchasing an extended warranty. I believe what the S.D. dealer is trying to sell you, can be purchased from ACTON for $725 (with a ZERO deductible).

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