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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Owned Rav4 EV for sale, POST HERE ONLY
PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:31 am 
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Yep, a precisely controlled range test comparing a new Rav to your Rav with everything else possible equal is definitely the be-all-end-all of range tests. My idea is just to try to explore what we can do to measure capacity loss without such an elaborate setup.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:28 pm 
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Yep, a precisely controlled range test comparing a new Rav to your Rav with everything else possible equal is definitely the be-all-end-all of range tests. My idea is just to try to explore what we can do to measure capacity loss without such an elaborate setup.


We already know that the car is published with 41.8kWh usable, and I've driven the car enough to be satisfied that is indeed true. So, there's the baseline.

The "poor man's" method; fuel up with electrons, let the cells balance for some period of time, drive until depleted, then charge up on the same charge station (likely to have the same voltage and amps) at the same temperature and measure the kWh.

Pick an arbitrary charge efficiency and use that as your baseline usable kWh's.

Over time, you'll be able to see the loss of capacity doing this same test.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Owned Rav4 EV for sale, POST HERE ONLY
PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:39 pm 
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Yup, and that's basically the same idea I had with using RavCharge data to estimate capacity loss. When you first start logging your rate of charge (at the same station) you establish a baseline, and as the capacity degrades your apparent (based on the change in % SOC, not kwh) rate of charge should increase. The difference is you can use this method without ever having to drive your car all the way to empty or do an extended charge (both of which could hasten the very degradation you're trying to measure) and you don't have to have an EVSE with a power meter attached.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Owned Rav4 EV for sale, POST HERE ONLY
PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 3:58 pm 
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You guys are getting a little off topic but its interesting. I am just starting my search for a Rav 4 EV and I am very curious about battery degradation. I wont clog up this thread on questions, I am hoping I find answers on other threads.

Back to the topic, I live in Ithaca, NY and I am looking for a Rav4 EV. I dont care where it is located. I am willing to travel if its a good price.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Owned Rav4 EV for sale, POST HERE ONLY
PostPosted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:22 pm 
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Autotrader seems to have broken their search engine as of today, but for the past few weeks I've seen this blue used RAV4 EV listed. I found it directly on the dealer page:

http://www.crowntoyota.com/certified/To ... 339314.htm

Specifics: Blue, 2013, 15k miles, $32,900 asking price from the dealer. I'm unclear whether it's actually a Toyota Certified used vehicle or not. Ad displays that banner, for what that's worth.


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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Owned Rav4 EV for sale, POST HERE ONLY
PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:48 am 
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shikataganai wrote:
Autotrader seems to have broken their search engine as of today, but for the past few weeks I've seen this blue used RAV4 EV listed. I found it directly on the dealer page:

http://www.crowntoyota.com/certified/To ... 339314.htm

Specifics: Blue, 2013, 15k miles, $32,900 asking price from the dealer. I'm unclear whether it's actually a Toyota Certified used vehicle or not. Ad displays that banner, for what that's worth.


Unless they are selling under $30K, I think it's still better to lease a new one. My new RAV4EV will be about $33K total after the 35 payments and the $18K residual (if I purchase at the end). (And that includes the $2500 CA refund check).

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:48 pm 
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AltPowr wrote:
shikataganai wrote:
Autotrader seems to have broken their search engine as of today, but for the past few weeks I've seen this blue used RAV4 EV listed. I found it directly on the dealer page:

http://www.crowntoyota.com/certified/To ... 339314.htm

Specifics: Blue, 2013, 15k miles, $32,900 asking price from the dealer. I'm unclear whether it's actually a Toyota Certified used vehicle or not. Ad displays that banner, for what that's worth.


Unless they are selling under $30K, I think it's still better to lease a new one. My new RAV4EV will be about $33K total after the 35 payments and the $18K residual (if I purchase at the end). (And that includes the $2500 CA refund check).


For people out-of-state, used is the only option.

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 Post subject: Re: Pre-Owned Rav4 EV for sale, POST HERE ONLY
PostPosted: Mon Sep 01, 2014 10:36 pm 
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TonyWilliams wrote:
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Unless they are selling under $30K, I think it's still better to lease a new one. My new RAV4EV will be about $33K total after the 35 payments and the $18K residual (if I purchase at the end). (And that includes the $2500 CA refund check).


For people out-of-state, used is the only option.


Out of staters are locked out of the lease and its incentives, and also can't take advantage of TFS 0% financing. I believe that we could purchase new from, say, Dianne, though, at $49.8k - $2.5k Toyota rebate - $7.5k Federal credit - $6k Colorado credit ~= $34k all said and done.

This $33k used RAV4 EV would be $27k effectively to me, on the other hand, as the Colorado credit is applicable to used EVs provided they haven't been registered in Colorado before (!)...

Would it be nicer to pick up an effectively <$24k after CO credit used one? Sure, but there aren't many out there yet. Perhaps the dynamic will be different when I'm actually actively looking come May or June 2015.


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 Post subject: Preowned 2013 with 6800 miles
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 12:01 am 
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Well, a job loss and subsequent unfriendly commute's got me pulling someone out of her EV and putting her into a hybrid Avalon.

The EV is pearl white, and it's pristine. I could set it right out on the showroom floor as it is.

Mileage is 6809 right now. I am going to drive it home and back tonight to test for noise or rattle or howl or werewolves. ;)

Reach me at 949-689-0717 if you're an interested buyer. I suspect it's heading out of state because it's too close to in price to new, after all of our lease cash and state rebates.
$33,000 takes it, and that's a no hassle price. That's way way under our Kelley Blue book.

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 Post subject: Used 2012 RAV EV For Sale
PostPosted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:28 am 
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This is my first post and sadly it's to spread the word that I'm selling my RAV4 EV. Before purchasing, I poured over all the great information here and became sold on the RAV EV. I'm still a huge fan of the car, love the performance, utility and zero emissions. It's time to say good bye due to my new job where I'll be commuting by BART/Bicycle.

I know from time to time folks have been searching for a used option. If you or anyone you know is interested please see my craigslist ad.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/cto/4667131445.html

I've enjoyed being an early adopter and promoter for EV's. Thank you to all the valuable contributors on the forum for your experience and wisdom!

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