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 Post subject: Re: Why a hydrogen obsession for Toyota? Their mad coal plan
PostPosted: Tue Nov 17, 2015 11:31 am 
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I tend to agree with your statements. ICEVs completely dominate global auto sales. In the US, last month PHEVs had a take rate of 0.28% and BEVs 0.40% per http://www.hybridcars.com/october-2015-dashboard/.

Per http://www.toyota-global.com/company/pr ... egion.html, in 2012, Toyota produced 8.736 million vehicles worldwide. For 2014, per http://www.toyota-global.com/investors/ ... light.html, it was 8.930 million. Tesla has only produced somewhere north of 90K vehicles since it was founded in 2003 (http://www.teslamotors.com/about).

For more US context, see http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/ ... +chart.htm for Toyota's US Oct 2015 sales and http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2015/11/us ... model.html for the top sellers. Top selling car in the US was Camry at 361K units YTD. 2600 Rav4 EVs was just a tiny drop in the bucket and Mirai will be also a tiny drop.

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 Post subject: Re: Why a hydrogen obsession for Toyota? Their mad coal plan
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:21 pm 
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4EVEREV wrote:
Hydrogen is a place for Toyota to put a foot in another game card for the future and to me does not say they are ignoring EVs. Quite the opposite as they are doing all sorts of advanced pack research and once they want to enter the EV space they will.

Toyota killed the Rav4 EV, never made a Lexus version of it, and the Prius Plug-in is a complete joke. So perhaps Toyota isn't ignoring EVs, but it's doing its best to undermine them. Luckily, its best sucks:

http://insideevs.com/toyota-to-selected ... to-refuel/


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 Post subject: Re: Why a hydrogen obsession for Toyota? Their mad coal plan
PostPosted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 11:03 pm 
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4EVEREV wrote:
Hydrogen is a place for Toyota to put a foot in another game card for the future and to me does not say they are ignoring EVs. Quite the opposite as they are doing all sorts of advanced pack research and once they want to enter the EV space they will.

Toyota killed the Rav4 EV, never made a Lexus version of it, and the Prius Plug-in is a complete joke. So perhaps Toyota isn't ignoring EVs, but it's doing its best to undermine them. Luckily, its best sucks:

http://insideevs.com/toyota-to-selected ... to-refuel/



They are taking advantage of incentives and playing the field. They are doing EV work as well and when it makes sense for them they will build full EVs. Toyota will never abandon anything that makes them a good profit. Clearly they have a long term strategy and they are great at the art of diversion. There was no good business case for Toyota to develop a RAV EV, it would require an entirely new platform to be done properly with a new drivetrain. They are better off doing a future Prius EV line. Lexus version? That would be a complete waste and huge loss to them. The RAV would never be a platform to be an EV for Toyota to continue in it's PRESENT platform or on the new version, it is too heavy. Everyone is getting caught up in the compliance cars and fake Tesla partnerships and missing the big picture. I would never own a fuel cell car and I think they are stupid but I think Toyota is smart doing research in the area and applying a business strategy that makes sense for them now. Toyota is not stupid, the public is eating up their smoke and mirror BS and EV advocates are just upset because they are buying the FUD and looking at this all with blinders on.

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 Post subject: Re: Why a hydrogen obsession for Toyota? Their mad coal plan
PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:37 pm 
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http://www.engadget.com/2016/02/20/daim ... -hydrogen/

"Daimler may be hedging its bets with work on both electric and hydrogen fuel cell cars, but it sees a front runner emerging. In a chat with Euro am Sonntag, company chief Dieter Zetsche says he believes EVs are "more likely" to come out on top. Simply put, he believes the electric camp has more answers. EVs with long range and fast charging are "within reach," while it's still not clear how you'll make hydrogen both cheap and widely available. That doesn't mean that fuel cells are out -- however, their future isn't looking good."


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