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 Post subject: Re: RECALL: going into neutral / Speed Sensor failure
PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 7:23 pm 
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TonyWilliams wrote:
The LEAF is very reliable. Well,except for the most expensive part, the battery, which will degrade faster than any other EV.


Yah that's why I went with the RAV4...but it's not been nice to me either.... Maybe the latest repair will be the last, keep fingers crossed.


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 Post subject: Re: RECALL: going into neutral / Speed Sensor failure
PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 12:46 am 
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TonyWilliams wrote:
The LEAF is very reliable. Well,except for the most expensive part, the battery, which will degrade faster than any other EV.

Is that true of the 2015 battery? Certainly the 2011 and 2012 battery was a joke.


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 Post subject: Re: RECALL: going into neutral / Speed Sensor failure
PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 7:16 pm 
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smkettner wrote:
TonyWilliams wrote:
The LEAF is very reliable. Well,except for the most expensive part, the battery, which will degrade faster than any other EV.

Is that true of the 2015 battery? Certainly the 2011 and 2012 battery was a joke.


I guess we don't really know yet!!!

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 Post subject: Re: RECALL: going into neutral / Speed Sensor failure
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:10 am 
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TonyWilliams wrote:
The LEAF is very reliable. Well,except for the most expensive part, the battery, which will degrade faster than any other EV.

I wouldn't call the degradation a "reliability" issue. It doesn't fail nor stop working.

But, it (at least on 2011-2012 Leafs, jury's still out on others, esp. '15) does degrade quickly and far more quickly than Nissan led us all to believe. :(

Probably about the only folks who will have degradation in line on pre-'15 Leafs w/what we were led to believe are those in mild climates (e.g. Western WA like Seattle; city of San Francisco, Half Moon Bay, Daly City or Pacifica; Oregon).

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 Post subject: Re: RECALL: going into neutral / Speed Sensor failure
PostPosted: Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:21 am 
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ghever wrote:
So the tesla cars have this many issues as well? Even if so, it seems like they repair the issues faster.

They have plenty.

Sorry for the focus on drive units, but this is all I have handy right now (and have time to post right now). Although many of their drive unit replacements tend to be for noise, rather than for failure. It seems a # of Model S have needed replacement battery packs due to something failing inside the pack (contactor?).

Most of these links I sent to a friend of mine on Facebook who felt his Camry was "unreliable" because he had a few intermittent no-start problems. I've collected MANY more, over time, as I happen to see them.

http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s/20 ... ap-up.html look under Maintenance & Repairs

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... post437259
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... post462056

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ory-repair
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... Motor-Died

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ost1107634
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ost1107001
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... oll/page44
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ost1072842

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... n-this-car haven't seen an update from this guy for awhile

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ost1114564 - 5 replacements at 53K mile mark, most recent one done in May 2015. Previous replacements listed at http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... post982006.
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ost1116866
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... -leak-WHAT

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ost1077760
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ost1074449
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ost1072941
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ost1031626
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ost1070149
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthre ... ost1046037

They do seem to repair them very quickly though.

One has to wonder what kind of durability testing Tesla does vs. that of major established OEMs. See these:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=17305
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 48#p377048
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.p ... 28#p377228
ghever wrote:
Do Leaf's have all these issues?

No.
ghever wrote:
Just seems like the hybrids like Prius are better tested and more reliable at this point. Maybe in 5-10 years the EV will reach this same level of reliability but this experience has soured me on getting another ev.

Yep, Prius is a very reliable vehicle, at least Gen 2 and beyond (04 to current).

Despite a FAR larger population of Priuses in the wild and being added daily, major reliability problems on Priuschat of Priuses of the equivalent age of Rav4 EVs here are almost unheard of. (Rav4 EV was capped at ~2600 units total. Prius family sells several times that in a single month in the US. Example: http://www.hybridcars.com/september-2015-dashboard/.)

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 Post subject: Re: RECALL: going into neutral / Speed Sensor failure
PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2015 5:45 pm 
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Operation "RAV4 EV recall work" is a failure.

While I did manage to get the regional rep to come in to work on the vehicle (at Stevinson Toyota East in Aurora, CO) the recall was not performed. The car was kicking off the following error codes, which gave the rep the willies (since he doesn't want to brick the car!):

P312F <-- probably Tesla related
C1241 <-- related to 12V battery, likely not Tesla's fault
C1551 <-- possibly C1251 instead, written down wrong by dude, and apparently not Tesla's fault as well

From what I have read the P312F issue is probably what is being addressed by the recall. Oh well. :lol: It'll get done eventually.


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 Post subject: Re: RECALL: going into neutral / Speed Sensor failure
PostPosted: Fri Oct 09, 2015 5:06 pm 
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I have never had a single firmware upgrade to my car and I'm reluctant to do so. 1 year left on my lease with no issues so far:) I do have one of the five special edition models which has the slightly more powerful motor and sport rims so perhaps that made a difference.

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 Post subject: Re: RECALL: going into neutral / Speed Sensor failure
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4EVEREV wrote:
I do have one of the five special edition models which has the slightly more powerful motor and sport rims so perhaps that made a difference.


Huh?

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 Post subject: Re: RECALL: going into neutral / Speed Sensor failure
PostPosted: Sat Oct 10, 2015 3:15 pm 
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TonyWilliams wrote:
4EVEREV wrote:
I do have one of the five special edition models which has the slightly more powerful motor and sport rims so perhaps that made a difference.


Huh?



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 Post subject: Re: RECALL: going into neutral / Speed Sensor failure
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4EVEREV wrote:
I do have one of the five special edition models which has the slightly more powerful motor and sport rims...

If you weren't a Site Moderator, I'd vehemently opine that you're completely making this up. Care to elaborate?


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