starlight
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Ok I finally have decided that I think I should trade out the rav4ev for a hybrid Camry
starlight said:Ok I finally have decided that I think I should trade out the rav4ev for a hybrid Camry
Given that you can lease a new one with unlimited miles for 15K out of pocket (CA rebate deducted), valuing the remainder vehicle at 10K isn't crazy. Despite the Toyota residual, what will someone pay for a used RAV4EV in 3 years? There will be version 2 EVs on the market then, and all the RAV lease returns.starlight said:Trade not so good only 25k
Too hard to charge up car in rental situation. And it's my only car. So when I want to go on a long trip have to get a rental. At the dealer now
srl99 said:Despite the Toyota residual, what will someone pay for a used RAV4EV in 3 years? There will be version 2 EVs on the market then, and all the RAV lease returns.
Your definition over Version 2 is probably different than most. Your definition is similar to what Elon Musk called a "step change" in battery performance. I consider Version 2 to be the next major model revision to the current vehicles - like Volt 2.0 or Tesla Model E. The characteristics of these vehicles may not be drastically different than those existing today, save some incremental improvements due to ongoing cost reductions. For example, a 2017 Leaf may have the choice of battery sizes where the current size has a lower cost than today, but a larger battery, say 40% larger usable capacity may have the same cost as today. That may yield an EPA range of 120 miles.tgreene said:srl99 said:Despite the Toyota residual, what will someone pay for a used RAV4EV in 3 years? There will be version 2 EVs on the market then, and all the RAV lease returns.
Do you really think that there will be 'version 2' EVs on the market in January 2017? I have seen a number of such claims, but I don't understand where they will come from. I think of a 'version 2' EV as something that will have 50 - 100% more energy storage density than the current Li batteries like the ones in our RAV4. So a car having the battery with the mass of the current leaf battery will have a range of 130 - 170 miles. Batteries with that performance do not exist yet. This will likely require improving the anode, cathode, and basic chemistry itself (think Li S). Yes, people have demonstrated some promising performance in the lab, but real commercial batteries are still a few years away. Then vehicles (& charging / discharging algorithms) need to be designed for them.
I think that it will be at least early 2018 before EVs with 200+ range and rapid charging are available (on a dealer lot - not a waiting list) for under $50K total sticker price.
oldman said:Just bought our 2013 RAV 4 EV so worried people are already trading in theirs. Bright side for me was I wanted an electric SUV with enough space for dogs in the back and this was the only option. I was saving for the promised 2015 low priced Tesla SUV but when the dealer advertised $12K off the sticker for the RAV I decided the bird in the hand was worth two in the bush. More and more convinced I made the right choice. Only hope that it does not become the Edsel of the future.
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