Buying Clipper Creek CS-60 as a group

[waidy]

I believe every Model S comes with a 40a capable portable EVSE (I think Roadsters did too.) No idea where/how to buy them though (I guess contact Tesla or ask Tony), and yes you'd need to take off the Tesla connector and put on a J1772.

Here's Tony's post.

The Tesla service centers now have them in stock for Model S (you may have to order the Roadster one). You can get just a J1772 handle from these guys for about $155:

http://www.tucsonev.com/index.html

I'm not keen of the quality of Dostar, however.

Another option is to buy the Model S receptacle and use their $90 Models S to J1772 adapter at public charging stations, and plug in directly with the Tesla unit.

I am so jealous. I spoke to the Parts Department at noon today. They still haven't had a shipment yet. Therefore, mine is still back-ordered :-(
The Model S to J1772 adapter won't work because one end has a male S connector and the other end has a female J1772. We need the other way around (i.e. female S connector in one end and male J1772 connector at the other end).

 

[TonyWilliams]

Waidy, I'm suggesting removing the current female J1772 receptacle on the Rav4 and replacing it with a Model S one.

So, then the regular Model S to J1772 will work for normal J1772 stations, and the Model S plug will just plug directly into Rav4.

No J1772 plug involved at all.

 

[waidy]

Waidy, I'm suggesting removing the current female J1772 receptacle on the Rav4 and replacing it with a Model S one.

So, then the regular Model S to J1772 will work for normal J1772 stations, and the Model S plug will just plug directly into Rav4.

No J1772 plug involved at all.

I see. This is a good one. Thank you.

 

[TonyWilliams]

Waidy, I'm suggesting removing the current female J1772 receptacle on the Rav4 and replacing it with a Model S one.

So, then the regular Model S to J1772 will work for normal J1772 stations, and the Model S plug will just plug directly into Rav4.

No J1772 plug involved at all.

I see. This is a good one. Thank you.

I do have a few good ones occasionally !!!

 

[waidy]

Since DC charging doesn't involve the onboard charger. Tony, do you think the supercharger would work with this mod on the Rav4EV? .. You get me dreaming..

 

[TonyWilliams]

Since DC charging doesn't involve the onboard charger. Tony, do you think the supercharger would work with this mod on the Rav4EV? .. You get me dreaming..

Not without a lot more work. Maybe we can have Phil and Mark run an analysis of your Model S while it's charging to gather the data they need to make this happen.

 

[robertk925]

I talked to Clipper Creek and they gave me the same warning, but I bought a CS-60 on eBay anyway and wired it up with a 14-50 plug and it is charging my RAV4EV flawlessly. One day I may have Clipper Creek reflash the firmware to downgrade it to a CS-50 (50amp) to more safely match the 14-50 maximum amperage, but since I only plug in the RAV4EV (no Tesla yet!) right now it isn't a pressing issue.

CS-50 is a 40 amp continuous pilot signal and requires a 50 amp breaker.

Right, sorry for the confusion (although in my defense, the product naming of the various EVSE products are confusing to us non-electricians.) The CS-60 allows 48 amps continuous max, and the CS-50 allows 40 amps max. I have my CS-60 on a 50 amp breaker and a 14-50 outlet wired with 6AWG wiring, which is a problem if I let a TeslaS plug-in, but for my RAV4EV it isn't a problem since it can only draw 40 amps maximum.

 

[waidy]

Right, sorry for the confusion (although in my defense, the product naming of the various EVSE products are confusing to us non-electricians.) The CS-60 allows 48 amps continuous max, and the CS-50 allows 40 amps max. I have my CS-60 on a 50 amp breaker and a 14-50 outlet wired with 6AWG wiring, which is a problem if I let a TeslaS plug-in, but for my RAV4EV it isn't a problem since it can only draw 40 amps maximum.

You can always adjust the amperage on the Model S. It allows for as low as 5 amp

 

[khaliss]

Loving the CS-60, got it finally installed & yep, it's definitely a beast! charged both the Rav4 & the Leaf last night without breaking a sweat. Decided to get another electrician to setup a new 60-amp circuit (& a subpanel). He used #6 THHN so I don't have to worry.

 

[Kohler Controller]

Great pics! Where do you "holster" the CS-60 connector when hanging out between the two cars?
I too use bungie cords to elevate my EVSE cord to keep it off the ground and to hang where it is most convenient. I found a leather holster (that's designed to hold a spray paint can) that I'm thinking about buying so that my connector can have a nice little home to live in while not connected to my car.

 

[khaliss]

I don't have a holster, but I'm using the same bungee cords to hang the j1772 head when not in use (the cords come with plastic hooks on both ends). I'll take a pic and post it later. If you come up with a better system, please post it here =)

 

[TonyWilliams]

The proper Clipper Creek holster is $50. I'm surprised the eBay doesn't include that, but I like mine and recommend it.

 

[ravisekhar]

The proper Clipper Creek holster is $50. I'm surprised the eBay doesn't include that, but I like mine and recommend it.

Can you provide the link for the holster you installed.

 

[khaliss]

ghetto hanger:

 

[Bassman]

My CS-60 is installed. Changed my circuit to a 50 amp for now using AWG 8 THHN wire and a NEMA 6-50 outlet and plug. Used a 6/3 service core for the pig tail and will upgrade the circuit to a 60 amp breaker and AWG 6 THHN wire with a 14-60 plug and outlet that has been ordered. For now, the CS-60 is working well. It charges the Rav4 pretty fast. I think I may have found the possible issue with the timer in the car. I charge with two different chargers, a 3.3 KW at work and the 9.6 KW at home. This may be confusing the charger timer, as I think it assumes the last charging system used will be used again for the next charge. Seems if I turn on the charging system when I get home for a few minutes when I plug in initially and then turn it off, it resets the charge timer assumption to a 9.6 KW charger and is able to charge under the timer constraints. I've only tried this a couple of times so far, but it did charge within my departure time setup and within my Off Peak TOU rate period. Will continue to test this hypothesis.

 

[khaliss]

So, I'm thinking of getting another CS-60 to setup as a "mobile" charger for use with RV parks that have NEMA 14-50 receptacles. Will this work:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/50A-4-Wire-6-Ft-125-250V-NEMA-14-50-125-250V-Range-Replacement-Power-Cord-UL-/111035756966?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19da3f31a6

It says it's rated for 50-amps, and since the CS-60 has a max draw of 48A (continuous)... this won't be an issue, right? Also, to wire it correctly, leave out the "neutral" wire (tape it up), connect the 2 hots (#6 wires) and the service ground (#8)... correct?

 

[Bassman]

The CS-60 is up to full power now. Installed the 60 amp breaker, upgraded the wire to 6AWG THHN and the plug and receptacle to Nema 14-60. Now if I could just afford that Tesla!

 

[TonyWilliams]

So, I'm thinking of getting another CS-60 to setup as a "mobile" charger for use with RV parks that have NEMA 14-50 receptacles. Will this work:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/50A-4-Wire-6-Ft-125-250V-NEMA-14-50-125-250V-Range-Replacement-Power-Cord-UL-/111035756966?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19da3f31a6

It says it's rated for 50-amps, and since the CS-60 has a max draw of 48A (continuous)... this won't be an issue, right? Also, to wire it correctly, leave out the "neutral" wire (tape it up), connect the 2 hots (#6 wires) and the service ground (#8)... correct?

I would get a Camco NEMA 14-50 plug and use a proper 6/3 SOOW rated wire. Plan B might be to repackage all the Clipper Creek guts in a much smaller package for portable use.

 

[khaliss]

Don't laugh, but I went a little bit overboard with this twin charger setup. These CS-60s are just something!

 

[duggie]

Is this type of deal still available? Or anybody have any good links to an eBay store that sells them for a good price? Looking for 2 units, one for me and one for mnml.

Also, is there a big difference in price in having an electrician install a 60 Amp circuit as opposed to a 40 Amp? I was going to have them install a 40 Amp for the Leviton EVB40-PST, but am now considering this unit if it's really in the $700 range.

Thanks.